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After Apple Picking by Robert Frost-A Chauvinistic Lust Poem
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J.T.Best



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 2:26 pm    Post subject: After Apple Picking by Robert Frost-A Chauvinistic Lust Poem Reply with quote

It is about After Apple Picking by Robert Frost that I stand in passionate opposition to the mainstream literary world. I have tried in vain to have my interpretation of that poem published but no one appreciates my insight, so I stand alone and must do it myself. In order to build upon the notion that the poem is a bit chauvinistic, laced with sexual depth and filled with lust, I have crafted the definitive essay that sets forth in vivid detail the poem's often touted but never explained sexual connotations. I welcome any reader comments regarding my journey into the depths of the Robert Frost psyche and should you choose to express yourself in reply, then please do so within the bounds of law and intellectual decency. All such emails will be posted. Please be advised that I consider the content on the second page of the following website as intellectual literature for adults only. Go to:http://whendarknessfell.tripod.com/
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J.T.Best



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 6:10 pm    Post subject: After Apple Picking by Robert Frost-A Chauvinistic Lust Poem Reply with quote

It is not a spoof. If you can, direct me to any source other than myself, that expands upon the often stated notion that After Apple Picking contains sexual connotations. I am truly not being sarcastic when I ask that perhaps you could undertake the task of detailing those often touted sexual connotations. Is using the ladder on the woodchuck your idea of a sexual connotation, if so mine is better. Right or wrong, at least now an attempt has been made to explain them for the literary world to accept or reject.
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MaryAnn2



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After MEHope wrote,

Quote:
This is an excellent spoof of poetry dissection; but you need to separate, even in satire, the desire to believe that the speaker is the poet.


I held my breath. After reading JTBest's initial exegisis, it didn't seem like he was kidding -- but then, I've been wrong before.

But now, JT says this is no spoof.

JT -- Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.


Mary Ann
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J.T.Best



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 9:03 pm    Post subject: Is a cigar just a cigar Reply with quote

Is a cigar just a cigar? It depends upon who is smoking it...a man...yes...a woman...maybe not!
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Mcflaven



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm not the literary world but this argument is akin to the people who see sexual acts in Disney films; the Bible yes, the Lion King no. (We all know to see hot lion on lion action one needs the Discovery channel.)


While there is no sex in The Lion King, there is a part in the film where a swirl of dust goes up into the night sky and spells the word "sex." (I swear I am not making this up.)

Also, in the original version of The Little Mermaid, the preacher who is going to marry the prince to the disguised sea witch has a moment where he becomes "very happy," so to speak, and it is quite noticeable.

I know this is off the subject, but it is something I have seen and been amused by.
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J.T.Best



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 3:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Literary exhibitionism Reply with quote

Quite frankly this "exhibitionist" type of comment was my greatest fear when I decided to publish the Apple Picking essay. In fact I have five books and over fifty professional and general articles published and the word "sex" isn't in any of them. Lots and lots of personal poetry that I am putting together for publication and still not a word of sex. This sexual orientated essay is a one off thing in my life, triggered by my English professor's comment back in 1963. But it is so strong in my mind that I wanted to know what others thought about it plus the fact that lots of commentators talk about the sexual connotations in After Apple Picking but not a single essay or article can be found explaining what they are. Now there is.

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J.T.Best



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 3:48 pm    Post subject: The Objection To Being Stepped On Reply with quote

I see two levels to "The Objection To Being Stepped On". The first is its overall simplistic presentation that was probably inspired by reality. Having lived on a farm in the hills of West Virginia back in the forties, I know all about the adversities from stepping on a prostrate hoe or rake. It is the second level that is revealing. "I dreamed I was a frog that dreamed he was a man and then woke up not knowing which he was". The poem cautions me to beware that things are not always as they appear. The simpliest garden tool can be a weapon and once that dual (or mutiple) use is discovered, it becomes difficult to distinguish between the two in regards to which reality we are living in at the moment.

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J.T.Best



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 5:03 pm    Post subject: Hope against Hope Reply with quote

I sure hope that Hope isn't the worlds best hope for literary progress and regarding that hope and toward that end I sure hope I am wrong. Hay Hope, whats' your hope in that regard?
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J.T.Best



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 5:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Hope against Hope Reply with quote

[hope against Hope]I sure hope that Hope isn't the worlds best hope for literary progress and regarding that hope and toward that end I sure hope I am wrong. Hay Hope, whats' your hope in that regard?[/quote]
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babiak



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was a docent-in-training at the New Orleans Museum of Art, the head docent there showed us a painting in their collection called "The Surprise." There was a mother on a bench with a child who's just running up to her, and a man peaking from around a curtain. It's a great painting to ask patrons about, that is, to ask them what they think is going on in the painting. The answers are always varied, and they tell a lot more about the viewer than about the intent of the artist.
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J.T.Best



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 5:19 am    Post subject: Hope's Website Postings Reply with quote

It is my guess that Hope converted all of her comments to those website postings so her origional comments would disappear and thus could not be used elsewhere. How am I doing Hope? Cheers, J.T. Best
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Buchanan



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.T. Best, I will take a wander over to your website and let you know what I think.

Naomi
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MaryAnn2



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

J T Best and Buchanan,

Please refrain from making less-than-flattering comments about another poster.

Thank you.

Mary Ann
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Buchanan



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're quite right, MaryAnn. Thank you for the moral compass. I hope that the less-than-flattering remarks rule carries over to critique.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What happened, I live downunder and just woke up. Did I get rebuked. Interesting, we can slice and dice another's work but can't inquire as to edits? Boy have I got a lot to learn. Nevertheless I hear and obey O humble master.
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